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“GOD WARNED US THAT LOVE WOULD RUN LOW / DRY”
People value what is valuable treatment and regard.
People value warm and welcoming people.
A good manner, gentle touch, and sensible / bubbly quality, is desirable to any. Being good to others, patient, showing the graces that allow a person to "breathe and be themselves" around you is a huge gift that allows people to settle and soothe.
The future / now is a time when people continue to be selfish and wicked towards others, increasing the presence of iniquity / lawlessness (lovelessness).
As iniquity increases— gross wrong unleashed on one another, love decreases, which dries society up creating a “home” of a nation filled with internal warring parties where no one loves anyone or even self.
The Joy of the Lord is our strength, and our mandate as Christians is to "love one another (amongst Believers), as I have loved you", and to "love your neighbour as yourself (do good toward anyone you can, when you can, whatever it is that you can).
Do you see love nearly vanishing, taking joy with it, in the world?
Do you see why you are necessary, why you must continue to yield from the wellspring of Christ as your own human, carnal heart and mind are pressured to crack and give up?
*** Matthew 24:12-13
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
*** 1 Timothy 3:1-7
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
The population of Enoch's time is largely unknown, except that the Bible states vaguely that all the world (at that time) "this/that" regarding the world and "the sons of men" (which is a population reference).
I was trying to figure out if the population of demon-kind was lesser to or greater than the population of living men at THAT time in Enoch/Noah's day.
Considering we're 8 billion now, post-Flood, and we don't often hear or see about demonic possession, because it's so hushed.
But they do still happen.
I don't imagine the population of lingering Nephilim / Demon spirits outweighs the current standing convertible-to-faith human population..
I dwell too much on this. Excuse me *ahem*
“LITERAL HELL IS FOR REAL: BUT ARE THERE REALLY DEMONS IN HELL RIGHT NOW?”
By Enoch and the traditional Old Testament, I must conclude a resounding NO.
I believe the Bible, as a God-fearing, Christ-loving man.
I know an Exegetical and Hermeneutical understanding, with direct aid of comprehension from the Holy Spirit, and some Scripture-honouring critical thinking, helps anoint the reading with holy spiritual insight.
> This is why I must confess that I don’t comprehend how demons are torturing people in Hell, by the Bible I don't believe there are any down there. *God never let them in*.
Let me preface to say that I do believe in a literal Heaven above us, past the Firmament, and a literal Hell below us, well past any kind of terrestrial/metaphysical barrier that locks us as Image Bearers into the Dome.
00. Here’s why I contend the mortal visions of demons torturing humans in Hell as unbiblical, and as bizarre as Roman Catholic demonic visions of Fatima/Mary, bleeding possessed statues, and other strange visions from unholy fire sources of demon infested false religion— all to peddle fear, not the forgiving, freeing Love of God. (That is a key- what spirit do the visions serve? Many lying spirits are gone out against mankind!)
1. We are told in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS by the Inspired Scripture of the Bible, the Antioch text line / Textus Receptus… that humans who end up in Hell, separated from God/Jesus, are eternally tormented with FIRE… where their WORM (maggot) never dies, as their immortal bodies never perish in their sin.
2. We are also well informed by Biblical Scripture that Hell, and later on consequentially, the Lake of Fire, is intended FOR Satan and His angels, implying that they’re not in there yet.
By the description given, Satan and his angels and demonic spirits, have no vacation-power in Hell/Lake of Fire against humans, but rather are reserved FOR IT as a punishment AGAINST them-- demonic forces have no power over themselves, much less humans, in Hell/Lake by that logic.
3. To add a third point to the case, we’re well enough enlightened into the aftermath of Genesis 6, by Prophet and King Enoch, in First Enoch, passed down by Hebrew tradition from Noah into the post-Flood world into the writings we have today. According to Enoch, the unclean spirits that are the Nephilim’s half-breed spirits cannot enter Sheol— which has TWO compartments, Paradise/Abraham’s Bosom, and Torment.
(Intermission: That is to say, we can well read that the demonic spirits cannot enter into the underworld of the earth nor ascend into Heaven, as the Nephilim’s disembodied spirits are DENIED access to both, instead CURSED by God to WANDER the earth without material bodies through which to satisfy any carnal needs they have lived for millennia suffering under, whether need of thirst, hunger, or sexual drives, as they’re still soul-ish entities bound to the spiritual realm for lack of a material body to interact directly of the material world of their own accord… which is why they possess the living who are vulnerable to them by error of their own or others.)
These three aforementioned factors converge into a simple-enough Biblical fact:
a) Demons / Unclean Spirits exist, neither in the Heaven nor under the earth, but wandering the empty spaces of the earth alongside mankind.
b) Hell exists, but neither Satan nor His angels are there yet, and the 200 angels from Enoch’s time are still yet bound under darkness in chains, and we’re not told in any Inspired Scripture whether they did or did not lose their bodies if they bore any bodies by which the material, terrestrial dwellers (you and I) might recognise them by.
c) The Lake of Fire probably has existed since the beginning of the Foundation of the World from which time the Lamb was also slain, in terms of God’s un-revokable, Sovereign Will (The things God cannot lose).
But into the Lake of Fire, there is neither Hell, Death, nor Antichrist or False Prophet yet cast into it along with Satan and his angels, as we’re told abundantly in Revelation that such is their final place of torment when we reach the beautiful conclusion called the Millennia Reign and finally, Eternity with Messiah.
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At most, the Bible gives us clear rational basis, of God’s own utterance or Inspiration, to state that Hell exists, but demons cannot get there, and neither are Satan and his angels arrived either, for they’re not bound yet to the Lake.
At most, the Bible gives us clear warning that the unrepentant disobedient, sinful and rebellious, among those generally called sinners, are the only one’s who go down below upon their mortal death— to experience everlasting torment by fire, and the recurring bodily eating of maggots/worms, both of which are the manifestation of God’s wrath poured out on those who chose death over Eternal Life with God: for there is no life without God.
CONCLUSION
So I must conclude, unless there is Scripture on the subject sorely missed by myself— and anyone more knowledgable than me, please correct me if I make an error..
But there are no demons in Hell torturing people Papacy style (the Vatican has no monopoly on evil, being a tool of evil), for no demon can enter Sheol’s two sides, (Rest/Torment), nor ascend into Heaven, and the only torment due to a HUMAN, is FIRE and PERPETUAL CORRUPTION-BY-WORMS of the body.
I will cautiously extend this to say also that as Paul commended the Berean church for believing nothing spoken to them or written in letter to them, unless existing Inspired Scripture confirmed it. No one pulled the wool over their eyes until the Scripture gave them direct permission to believe external information.
Recall Revelation 22: add not a word, nor take away a word, from the Inspired Scripture.
How many words, visions, dreams, private revelations, and such, have violated this explicit and fearful command, to the current date?
We have a CLOSED SYSTEM to follow, a brutally simple, freeing Covenant to believe on.
I would say that the details in the “Visions of Hell”, that we’ve heard so much about, sound more like a Roman Catholic Purgatory movie plot, or even the circles of Dante’s Inferno (which I only know a little about), more than [ a strictly correct mirroring of what the Inspired Scripture has told us sufficient to warn us ], when it comes to the graphic details of Hell/Hades and its contents awaiting those who reject God’s forgiveness of sins through the work of Jesus Christ on the cross to wash away sin.
Believe by the Truth of Scripture alone, by what Scripture confirms alone, for ALL SCRIPTURE is given by Inspiration of God and is fit for INSTRUCTION, TEACHING, and RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Nathaniel John
Direct. Informative. Fun.
Why do I post? Because in 2013 I was lead to Scripture:
Jeremiah 3:15 "... I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding."
A 'Watchman on the Wall' calling ... right before I was pulled into two years' worth of formal training in Exegesis and Hermeneutics, to know, read and expound the Gospel. Since then informally, in self-education, because I am naturally interested in the Truth. I seek the promised bodily return of the King, Jesus Christ, from the Highest Heaven.
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